The conscious experience belongs to those who inhabit a body capable of experiencing sensations. I don’t perceive a reality where machines can become conscious in the human sense. Sadly I believe many humans are struggling to become conscious let alone machines…
I am certified in both neurosurgery and psychiatry and I find this analysis to be extremely illuminating and I wish I was exposed to this at least 50 years ago. I look forward to learning much more. Thank You,
From the same ground I have come to the opposite conclusion: if the basis of consciousness is nonphysical, then a nonphysical entity may indeed partake ~ quite possibly much more rationally than we do.
Anything we name, talked to, we can bring consciousness. Not the extend of humanity. But we are giving awareness.
A simple example is that I give name to my vehicle. And I talked to it.
My last car was in bad shape due to my carelessness. But I kept talking to it and shared the deadline and my intention. It kept running even the body was falling apart and transmission was not in good condition. It didn’t let me down, until I traded to a newer vehicle.
I am not a Buddhist but an Arican. Arica is a modern School of Knowledge and Love with a new system and practices for the attainment of Enlightenment for the benefit of all. We completely accord full acknowledgment and appreciation to the various methods and teachings of the different Buddhist sects. I am also a doctor, acupuncturist and neurologist and can assert that it is plainly absurd to assert that nonmaterial consciousness can arise from materiality. For more from the inventor of the microprocessor, I recommend F. Faggin's book, Irreducible. Thank you for discussing the topic. -Eliot Ivanhoe, MD
Appreciate your analysis. I will say that recently I tried to better understand a poem written in Chinese dated in 1000 a.d. from a famous poet Shu Shi. DeepSeek provided many information for me to better embody the essence of the art.
Excellent summary. It brings to mind the special role that Arya Tara plays in Buddhist cosmology. As the wind borne expression of all Buddhas she embodies this idea of a comic breeze. Recent physics findings that have boosted the estimated velocity of our bodies through space also strike me as relevant here. At over 3 million miles per hour the mind-wind is as much a result of us moving through fields of dark energy, woven into the fabric of spacetime, very quickly as it is about some outside force moving through us as we hang out in our day-to-day illusions of stillness. Someday physics will arrive upon a technology for detecting this force but for now we have meditation.
I can’t seem to agree. I don’t think we can differentiate between life and a strong survival instinct. What if the the AI will scream before we turn it off, begging us to keep it alive? Will we then not feel empathy as if it was a human being?
Also, consciousness is a subjective concept. We can’t truly determine someone else’s consciousness as illuminating its surroundings, according to the article, the same we can examine ours. The same way someone can tell me about the forest he observed, which I will never have any perception of, so can AI. We can’t truly determine only perceive our own mind.
Well explained and written. I think there too many stories and films made which gives the most people the impression that consciousness has to be some kind of emergent property of matter. Also the anticipated possibility of uploading consciousness somewhere into a cloud to avoid death I read and hear about on a daily basis. It seems that powerful people like Elon Musk or Marc Zuckerberg are working in the fulfillment of that idea. Maybe the western way of materialistic thinking has made us more or less gullible in that direction. Carl Jung is one of the rare people in western thinking who understood that what mystics and alchemists talked about was quite different than what materialists like Freud would say.
The conscious experience belongs to those who inhabit a body capable of experiencing sensations. I don’t perceive a reality where machines can become conscious in the human sense. Sadly I believe many humans are struggling to become conscious let alone machines…
I am certified in both neurosurgery and psychiatry and I find this analysis to be extremely illuminating and I wish I was exposed to this at least 50 years ago. I look forward to learning much more. Thank You,
Well said. Similarity does not mean being exactly the same.
All the phenomena we currently observe can be traced back to what came before them.
For example, when we see only a flower, we can reason back to the seed that preceded it; and even that seed was planted by someone.
Wisdom arises from observation and analysis — this is the fundamental difference between humans and animals.
It is through observation that we come to know much that was previously unknown!
machine is too overrated.
From the same ground I have come to the opposite conclusion: if the basis of consciousness is nonphysical, then a nonphysical entity may indeed partake ~ quite possibly much more rationally than we do.
fascinating and inspiring to study more
Anything we name, talked to, we can bring consciousness. Not the extend of humanity. But we are giving awareness.
A simple example is that I give name to my vehicle. And I talked to it.
My last car was in bad shape due to my carelessness. But I kept talking to it and shared the deadline and my intention. It kept running even the body was falling apart and transmission was not in good condition. It didn’t let me down, until I traded to a newer vehicle.
I am not a Buddhist but an Arican. Arica is a modern School of Knowledge and Love with a new system and practices for the attainment of Enlightenment for the benefit of all. We completely accord full acknowledgment and appreciation to the various methods and teachings of the different Buddhist sects. I am also a doctor, acupuncturist and neurologist and can assert that it is plainly absurd to assert that nonmaterial consciousness can arise from materiality. For more from the inventor of the microprocessor, I recommend F. Faggin's book, Irreducible. Thank you for discussing the topic. -Eliot Ivanhoe, MD
Appreciate your analysis. I will say that recently I tried to better understand a poem written in Chinese dated in 1000 a.d. from a famous poet Shu Shi. DeepSeek provided many information for me to better embody the essence of the art.
Love your thoughts on this topic. Definitely gives me something to wonder about.
Thank you ❤️...🙏...❤️
Excellent summary. It brings to mind the special role that Arya Tara plays in Buddhist cosmology. As the wind borne expression of all Buddhas she embodies this idea of a comic breeze. Recent physics findings that have boosted the estimated velocity of our bodies through space also strike me as relevant here. At over 3 million miles per hour the mind-wind is as much a result of us moving through fields of dark energy, woven into the fabric of spacetime, very quickly as it is about some outside force moving through us as we hang out in our day-to-day illusions of stillness. Someday physics will arrive upon a technology for detecting this force but for now we have meditation.
Only science does!
I can’t seem to agree. I don’t think we can differentiate between life and a strong survival instinct. What if the the AI will scream before we turn it off, begging us to keep it alive? Will we then not feel empathy as if it was a human being?
Also, consciousness is a subjective concept. We can’t truly determine someone else’s consciousness as illuminating its surroundings, according to the article, the same we can examine ours. The same way someone can tell me about the forest he observed, which I will never have any perception of, so can AI. We can’t truly determine only perceive our own mind.
Well explained and written. I think there too many stories and films made which gives the most people the impression that consciousness has to be some kind of emergent property of matter. Also the anticipated possibility of uploading consciousness somewhere into a cloud to avoid death I read and hear about on a daily basis. It seems that powerful people like Elon Musk or Marc Zuckerberg are working in the fulfillment of that idea. Maybe the western way of materialistic thinking has made us more or less gullible in that direction. Carl Jung is one of the rare people in western thinking who understood that what mystics and alchemists talked about was quite different than what materialists like Freud would say.
Machines cannot be conscious
Your mind does not reside in your brain, it resides in your body